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04.07.2009 13:36
#141 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Nightmare für die Blackhawks?
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634

Sources tell TSN the NHL and the NHLPA are investigating what might have been an enormous mistake by the Chicago Blackhawks.
Chicago tendered qualifying offers to several key players this week, including Kris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Aaron Johnson and Troy Brouwer, however the investigation underway is to determine whether the qualifying offers were filed correctly.
If not, there is the remote possibility the qualifying offers could be ruled invalid and the players listed above, conceivably, could be deemed unrestricted free agents because of the blunder.

There are few details, but one source says the players involved didn't receive the necessary notification of the offers.

The National Hockey League is in the process of trying to determine whether the situation was remedied in time.

Chicago general manager Dale Tallon says the qualifying offers were mailed to the players in time, on June 29th, but says because of the July 1 holiday, some of the players didn't receive them in time.

Additional sources say qualifying offers are not supposed to be mailed.

Overnight delivery via courier and direct fax to the players agent is preferred and certified or registered mail is acceptable only if the other means are unavailable.

Tallon says fax copies of the offers were sent to the league, so he doesn't anticipate any significant fall out.

However, sources say some of the qualifying offers were not faxed to the agents.


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04.07.2009 14:10
#142 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten


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04.07.2009 14:23
#143 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Man war halt so heiß auf Lossa, dass man das Tagesgeschäft vermasselt hat. Man stelle sich vor, dass wäre vor der kommmenden Saison (Kane & Toews Re-Signing) passiert...


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04.07.2009 15:59
#144 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Oh Man, da bin ich ja mal gespannt. Zu Schade, dass Philly ohnehin keine Kohle hat.

Ein Versteeg, Barker oder Brouwer stünde schon vielen Teams gut zu Buche.


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05.07.2009 12:57
#145 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Blackhawks (TSN.ca)

According to both the NHL and the NHLPA, the investigation into how and why the Chicago Blackhawks bungled a number of their qualifying offers is ongoing.
Neither side will comment, however since this story broke Friday evening on TSN.ca, interest into how the league and players association will respond is significant.

If the NHL grants leniency and attempts to sweep this issue away, it's expected the NHLPA will swiftly file a grievance and the matter will go to a hearing.

Sources with hands on knowledge of how qualifying offers have to be filed say as innocent as this mistake may have been, there is no excuse for it, and the league should follow through with the ultimate penalty and declare all players who didn't received proper notification, unrestricted free agents.

Blackhawks stars Kris Versteeg and Cam Barker are among that group.

Neither player has arbitration rights and both should have received qualifying offers of less than $1 million, retaining their playing rights for the 2009-2010 season.

Versteeg, a highly skilled forward was a Calder Trophy nominee, while Barker on the open market would easily command between $3 and $5 million per season.

Dale Tallon told TSN he believed all of the qualifying offers were post marked for June 29th and didn't sound concerned when the matter was discussed on Friday.

Tallon acknowledged there was a mistake made and wondered if the July 1st holiday may have interfered with the players and player agents receiving the qualifying offers via mail, on time.

Multiple sources say it's clearly stated in the collective bargaining agreement, qualifying offers, or QO's, as they're commonly referred to, are not supposed to be mailed, but rather faxed or delivered by courier.

In 2000, the New Jersey Devils forgot to file the paperwork to renew the contracts for Brian Rafalski and John Madden.

Rafalski was scheduled to make $450,000, while Madden would have earned $550,000 had the mistake not been made.

Instead, Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello was forced to pay market value rather than allow his two stars to go free.

Rafalski agreed to a 4-year, $11 million dollar extension. Madden signed a 4-year, $7 million dollar deal.

While not identical scenarios, the Devils paid the price for a clerical mistake.


However, because of cap issues, the Chicago Blackhawks have no such out...other than to hope the NHL and the NHLPA find a way.


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05.07.2009 13:40
#146 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

July 5: Deadline for player-elected salary arbitration
July 6: Deadline for club-elected salary arbitration

Damit keine Fragen aufkommen:

Als erstes muss ein QO seitens des Teams eingegangen sein (-> Chicago). Wenn nicht, sind die Spieler automatisch UFAs.

NHL salary arbitration is a tool available to settle some contract disputes. The player and team each propose a salary for the coming season, and argue their cases at a hearing. The arbitrator, a neutral third party, then sets the player's salary.

Most players must have four years of NHL experience before they are eligible for salary arbitration (the term is reduced for those who signed their first NHL contract after the age of 20). The process is used by restricted free agents, because it is one of the few bargaining options available to them.

The deadline for players to request salary arbitration is July 5, with cases heard in late July and early August. A player and team can continue to negotiate up until the date of the hearing, in hopes of agreeing on a contract and avoiding the arbitration process.

Teams can also ask for salary arbitration. But a player can be taken to arbitration only once in his career, and can never receive less than 85 per-cent of his previous year's salary. There are no such restrictions on the number of times a player can ask for arbitration, or the size of the salary awarded.

A decision must be made within 48 hours of the hearing. When the decision is announced, the team has the right to decline, or "walk away" from the award. If the team exercises this right, the player can declare himself an unrestricted free agent.

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:
# The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
# Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
# The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
# The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
# The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
# The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.

Evidence that is not admissible:
# The salary and performance of a "comparable" player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.
# Testimonials, video and media reports.
# The financial state of the team.
# The salary cap and the state of the team's payroll.


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05.07.2009 15:57
#147 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

M. Goc: "Einige Klubs sind an mir interessiert"

http://www.sport1.de/de/ussport/ussport_...kel_124411.html


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05.07.2009 23:38
#148 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

The National Hockey League has concluded its portion of an investigation into the Chicago Blackhawks mishandling of a number of qualifying offers made last week. At the request of the Players Association, the league has forwarded its findings to NHLPA and now awaits reaction to determine what happens next.


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06.07.2009 09:06
#149 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Wingers Nikolai Zherdev and Ryan Callahan of the New York Rangers were among 20 players who elected to take their teams to salary arbitration, the NHL Players' Association said Sunday.

The only other club to have two players go that route were the Phoenix Coyotes, who are set to have hearings with forwards Nigel Dawes and Daniel Winnik.

Joining them were defenceman James Wisniewski of the Anaheim Ducks; Thrashers winger Colby Armstrong; forward Matt Hunwick of the Boston Bruins; Buffalo left winger Clarke MacArthur; Carolina Hurricanes forward Tuomo Ruutu; defenceman Aaron Johnson of the Chicago Blackhawks; Columbus defenceman Marc Methot; Detroit winger Jiri Hudler; blue liner Denis Grebeshkov of the Edmonton Oilers; Minnesota center Kyle Brodziak; Montreal centre Tomas Plekanec; New Jersey Devils forward Travis Zajac; Islanders winger Nate Thompson; Lightning defenceman Matt Smaby; Canucks forward Kyle Wellwood; and Washington Capitals defenceman Milan Jurcina.

The deadline for teams to decide to take players to salary arbitration is Monday at 5pm et. Hearings will be held in Toronto from July 20 to August 4.


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06.07.2009 23:47
#150 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Sources tell TSN the National Hockey League Players Association has filed a grievance over the Chicago Blackhawks mishandling of a number of its qualifying offers and intends to argue the players affected by the mishap, who remain unsigned, should be ruled unrestricted free agents.

The NHL will be notified and can agree with the NHLPA's filing, or the league can disagree and the case will move on to an expidited hearing.

"In response to various media inquiries, the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) confirms today that it has filed a grievance regarding the failure of the Chicago Blackhawks to submit Qualifying Offers to its 2009 Restricted Free Agents prior to the deadline stipulated in the CBA. The NHLPA will make no further comment on the matter, which is now pending before the Impartial Arbitrator," said Jonathan Weatherdon, NHLPA Spokesperson.

At this moment, it's the Players' Association's contention, these players are unrestricted free agents and free to negotiate with any team.

The NHL is sure to fight back.

If the PA is accurate and the players involved are deemed unrestricted free agents, the Blackhawks could lose both forward Kris Versteeg and defenceman Cam Barker to the open market.

The interest in these two players league wide as UFA's would be significant. In Barker's case, one league source cites his value at $3 million on the low end, and as much as $5 million on the high end.

The Chicago Blackhawks have cap issues and may not be able to afford to compete in the feeding frenzy without making drastic moves to free up money.

This issue is far from resolved, but early indications suggest it may not end well for the Chicago Blackhawks.


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07.07.2009 08:16
#151 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

REPORT: NHL TO INVESTIGATE MAPLE LEAFS FOR TAMPERING

Remarks by Maple Leafs' head coach Ron Wilson on a Toronto radio station could prove to be very costly.

The Globe and Mail is reporting that the Maple Leafs are under investigation by the NHL due to Wilson's comments on the club's interest in Daniel and Henrik Sedin prior to July 1st, the first day that unrestricted free-agents could test the market.

On Tuesday June 31st, Wilson told Toronto radio station The Fan 590 that:

"You're hearing right now, and this sounds very contradictory but, there's a real possibility, I would think, that we would be going after the Sedins. Let's just speculate there."

Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke confirmed that the league was investigating the remarks.

"The league has indicated that they are looking into it, so we will have no public commentary at this time," Burke told the Globe and Mail Monday night.

While NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly did not confirm that the league was investigating tampering allegations against the Maple Leafs, he did say that the Vancouver Canucks have not filed a complaint with the league.

"We wouldn't normally comment on whether or not we were investigating a club for a potential tampering violation," Daly told the Globe and Mail.

"No, the Canucks have not filed tampering charges."

The Sedin brothers ended up resigning with the Canucks with identical five year contracts worth $6.1 million per season.


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07.07.2009 09:21
#152 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

ha- zuerst las ich "Tampaing" und dachte schon "Was soll das denn sein? zuviel Geschwuppe?"


Dann las ich das:

Zitat von H.M. Murdock
On Tuesday June 31st....

und wunderte mich noch mehr....

und bei
Zitat von H.M. Murdock

Wilson told Toronto radio station The Fan 590 that:
"You're hearing right now, and this sounds very contradictory but, there's a real possibility, I would think, that we would be going after the Sedins. Let's just speculate there."

dachte ich mir: "Und?"


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07.07.2009 11:04
#153 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Es ist nicht erlaubt, in irgendeiner Weise Spielern nachzustellen, die noch bei anderen Vereinen unter Vertrag sind, auch wenn Sie einen Tag oder ein paar Stunden später UFA werden.

Die Nucks haben keine Beschwerde eingelegt - warum auch? Meiner Meinung nach versucht sich die NHL, nach dem Wischiwaschi-Entscheid bzgl. der Hawks nun wieder zu profilieren.


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07.07.2009 11:07
#154 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Zitat von H.M. Murdock
Es ist nicht erlaubt, in irgendeiner Weise Spielern nachzustellen, die noch bei anderen Vereinen unter Vertrag sind, auch wenn Sie einen Tag oder ein paar Stunden später UFA werden..


Ok. Regel kapiert- aber dennoch: Bitte was????
Wie kommen denn dann sonst Wechsel zu stande? Ach so: Der Spieler ruft bei einem anderen Verein an...


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07.07.2009 11:19
#155 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Offiziell darf die erste Anfrage an werdende UFAs nach der Trading Deadline erfolgen. Dass hinter den Kulissen etwas passiert, ist klar. Allerdings darf man nicht so dämlich sein, wie Wilson in diesem Fall, und etwas vor dem 1.7. sagen.

Bei Tradeanfragen muss immer zuerst der Verein gefragt werden; alles andere wäre wiederum ein Bruch der Regeln. Dass auch dies teilweise anders abläuft ist klar.


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07.07.2009 11:46
#156 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Gut. Dass die Sachen nämlich hinter den Kulissen anders ablaufen weiss ja wohl jeder.
Wilsons Statement ist dennoch natürlich sehr dümmlich.

So ne Regel sollte mal im Fussball eingeführt werden. Die Bild wäre jeden Tag nur halb so dick, Real Madrid wäre diesen Sommer nicht mal halb so viel in den Medien und die ganzen Wichtigmacher könnten sich noch mehr als Insider aufspielen...


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07.07.2009 11:51
#157 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Auch beim Fußball muss - soweit ich weiß - die erste Anfrage über einen Transfer über den Verein laufen.
Ein neuer Vertrag im Falle eines Auslaufens darf aber immer ausgehandelt werden. Ein Verbot des letzteren wie in der NHL ist nicht mit EU-Recht vereinbar.


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07.07.2009 13:56
#158 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Zitat von Kevin Bieksa (ist ein wenig älter):
"Im six inches too tall to be signed by montreal"


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07.07.2009 20:51
#159 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Talbot fällt nach Schulter OP 5 Monate aus. Wird also die ersten beiden Monate der neuen Saison fehlen.


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07.07.2009 22:02
#160 RE: NHL Talk 2009/2010 Zitat · Antworten

Fehlt hier noch, oder?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4295830

Mal gespannt, ob sich da ein Engagement ergibt, und dann bitte kein zweites "CuJo-Desaster"


Ich habe mich umgesehen - Ich bin der Geilste hier.


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